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31 May 2007 @ 10:28 am
BITCH, PLEASE AWARDS-Back and Fill Bullshit Special Recognition  
AWARD: BITCH, PLEASE (Back and Fill  Bullshit Special Recognition)

From GoManga.com Message boards (comments from the Society are in manly blue, italics were added by the Society to draw attention to particular points):

First off, to give more context, if you’re not familiar with the behind-the-scenes process of licensing manga from Japan, it has reached a point of being so highly competitive among US publishers, that most of us, including Seven Seas, tend to place offers on titles while they’re still being serialized in the weekly magazines, often before they are ever collected into tankoubon (ie. graphic novels). If not, the license may very well get snatched up by the competition. In the case of NYMPHET, we placed an offer on it soon after the first volume of the tankoubon was released in Japan, with an option to license the rest of the series later on.

It was not until these past few days, actually, that I personally took the time to delve more closely into the rest of the series and the specific content of the subsequent volumes. Sure, I’d flipped through them before, and what I saw on a cursory glance seemed harmless enough. But this time I sat down and read the series carefully in Japanese, and what I found in volumes two and three were very disturbing. (Particularly, pages 129-131 in volume three, which are highly problematic.) (Someone, go look quick!) So much so, that I now have to retract some of what I said in my first letter where I tried to defend the content (see previous defense "if it's good enough for the Japanese, it's good enough for us"), because certain scenes in the subsequent volumes are indefensible and inappropriate, in my opinion. (If there is blame to be cast, I’ll accept blame on our license acquisition and evaluation process. If you were to add up the large number of licenses we acquire, and the total number of volumes per series, it would come to literally hundreds of volumes that we would need to read and review in order to stay on top of all the content and make sure that it is appropriate. In this case, NYMPHET fell through the cracks in our review process.)

So, my primary reason for canceling NYMPHET is due to my recent realization that later volumes in the series can not be considered appropriate for the US market by any reasonable standard (but that first one, in which Rin writes "I want you to come inside me' in calligraphy class is reasonable by um, a Jonet Benet standard?). For those of you who have been defending the title and have expressed anger about its cancellation (you're freaks), as a fan, I understand your frustration. But, at this point, I can only assume that you have not seen certain segments later in the series, just as I hadn’t, which very clearly cross the line, and which I can no longer stand by or support in good conscience.

Wait, wait...deAngelis retitles the book "Nymphet," he defends it with "if it's good enough for the Japanese it's good enough for us," and now he says, "I missed that a book about a child who writes 'I want you to come inside me' in calligraphy class in the first volume is probably not going to get better," and "Ooopsie, I forgot to review all volumes until a couple days ago."

For fuck's sake, he titled it NYMPHET. Did he think the book stopped being about loli-con and became about fairies or baby grasshoppers?

The Manstream Society says, "Mmmmm, smells like BULLSHIT!" and is still wondering if the Olsen Twins or Prussian Blue are looking for dates--in about TEN YEARS.
Gravityslavegravityslave on May 31st, 2007 07:06 pm (UTC)
Oy vey.
It's not just bullshit - it's utter, flaming, napalm-like bullshit. I love how people so often "accept accountability" by outright denying it...
The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on May 31st, 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)
Hey, if plausible deniability can keep presidents out of jail, why not attempted kiddie porn importers?
Gravityslavegravityslave on May 31st, 2007 08:44 pm (UTC)
The trouble lies in the semantic difference between their definition of "plausible" and the real one. :-)
The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on May 31st, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC)
Ahhhh, that's why we have lawyers! :-)
Gravityslavegravityslave on June 1st, 2007 03:08 am (UTC)
Precisely. I think that proves my point. :-)
The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on May 31st, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
I'd call this guy a weasel...but that'd be giving weasels a bad name.

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The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on May 31st, 2007 11:22 pm (UTC)
Lea Hernandez-DivaLea: wicked through and throughdivalea on June 1st, 2007 02:26 am (UTC)
Lea Hernandez-DivaLea: hurt comics code authoritydivalea on June 1st, 2007 02:30 am (UTC)
What I've seen so far:

A color piece of art of Rin hanging (from a tree?), her dress has ridden up, and there's panties and nine-year-old breasts flying at the face of her teacher.

A couple pages where Rin had occasion to be naked and wrapped in her teacher's coat, facing teacher. Following that, a panel with what looks like her naked crotch rubbing againt her teacher's erection.

That allllmost makes me think no one saw it--but why the fuck not MAKE SURE of the content of the rest of a comic we're calling NYMPHET.
Nope. Bullshit-O-Meter still at 11.
The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on June 2nd, 2007 05:18 pm (UTC)
It's times like this I wish I had a "barf" icon. That's just fucking foul. What the hell was in volume 2 or 3?
nem0: barfnem0 on May 31st, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)
Wait, this is manga. Translated manga. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would indicate that someone's eyeballs have to pass over every page of the dang thing in order to read (and possibly even transcribe) the text, and someone else has to type and align the English text on every page, and (hopefully) an editor has to go over the entire thing to look for mistakes before it's published.

And yet he claims nobody was able to review it for content? What the hell?
Gravityslavegravityslave on May 31st, 2007 08:43 pm (UTC)
Maybe it was like Monty Python's Deadly Joke - the translating was done by a team of people who were each given a single word. ;-)
Lea Hernandez-DivaLea: wet pussydivalea on June 1st, 2007 02:31 am (UTC)
Or a single panel!
Nenenanenena on June 1st, 2007 02:03 pm (UTC)
Well, actually, it *hasn't* been translated yet. In fact, Seven Seas snatched up the license without anybody bothering to look at the second or third volumes. Which may sound dumb, but it's actually standard practice in the manga-translation industry.

Still, that doesn't excuse the fact that Seven Seas thought that a nine-year-old telling her teacher "I want you to ejaculate inside me!" would have been appropriate for the North American - or hell, any - market. And you would think that with a subject matter like *that*, SS would have been more inclined to carefully read all of the available manga in Japanese before passionately defending their license on ze internet.
Starline Xiomara Hodge: Azumanga- So Stupid!starline on June 1st, 2007 02:48 am (UTC)
I'm just glad he's not going to publish it. I don't blame him for bullshitting *too* much, he does want to keep his job. And at least he's addressing the problems brought to him, right?
MANSTREAM COMICS AWARDSmanstreamcomics on June 1st, 2007 04:45 am (UTC)
Unless Seven Seas has been bought recently, the only one who could fire deAngelis is himself.

He stuffed his foot in his mouth with his previous statement, then went back for seconds yesterday. That's why he won twice--that kind of dedication to rationaliztion and excuses merits two wins in two days.

But let's see what Joe Quesada manages to say tomorrow. He could well be our second two-time winner.
delux_vivens on June 1st, 2007 06:18 am (UTC)
But let's see what Joe Quesada manages to say tomorrow. He could well be our second two-time winner.

*sets up concession stand with popcorn and drinks*
TJF588: T.J.tjf588 on July 7th, 2013 02:29 pm (UTC)
NECRO-POST, and my first, too. Kinda circled here, actually, when I noticed "MANSTREAM" attached to quoted reaction of H4H #13, and just earlier I'd read the bookending Nymphet posts.

That comic is all but done, now; this month will see the epilogue, after ninety-three chapters, not counting any bonus thingers. For what it's worth, overall and in spite of wholly tipping into "there's no way I can recommend this without interpersonal risk" displays and scenarios, it has a good story to it. Really, I'd say it works to desensitize oneself, not wanting to bear any reaction to those depictions, practically blocking them out. The way the ending played out in the last couple chapters could have made more of a stance against the "OTP"ing it set up for itself, but none of these apologetics are why I'm posting now.

I just wanted to clear up that the retitling of Kodomo no Jikan (generally known to read "A Child's Time") in English markets was an insistence of the author.

So, uh, all that off-chest-getting for a nitpick. Yep, I'm a hero to my sex, alright. *despair*

EDIT: Actually, thinking back, I think what redeems this title most is the teachers. I don't remember everything, and not with the best clarity, and it's all fan-translation with the risk of misreadings, but the impression I have, especially with this critical mindset at the moment, is that among dirty jokes, there's a mix of teachers learning to react to problem children, the problem children themselves (as melodramatic as some of it may've been; I'm a terrible judge), and a bunch of Lesson-of-the-Month reflective monologues. Series squicks like hell, especially in the height of the leading girl's guardian's arc and the late chapters (part of the ending set ups I mentioned before, which I may've felt less conflicted about if the time-skip hadn't cut it so close, or progressed a couple years more, given the age Americans acknowledge legal adulthood).

Grand point: Kojika isn't entirely irredeemable. After all, good was spoken of Cannon God Exxaxion, which, by the by, I burst a phantom gut at the cover, its description, and the "it's smiling" in the comments. Good grief.

Edited at 2013-07-07 02:48 pm (UTC)