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25 June 2007 @ 07:41 pm
BY THE GODDESS!  

 Well, isn't that just like a woman.

Earth goddess, X-men Leader, Morlock champion, rebel punk, and master thief......but we all know what really matters.

Fantastic Four  #547
Written by: Dwayne McDuffie
Art by: Paul Pelletier

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"You can tell Michael Collins that my hair is completely natural."
"This is NOT  a weave!"





Please , let that character be a skrull. I call on the goddess of comics and the saint of fangirls- let that character be a skrull...
 
 
 
Jkarabellajkarabella on June 29th, 2007 10:11 am (UTC)
No I don't miss the point, I just don't believe two wrongs make a right.

If you're writing a story and anything in it is misunderstood by a large portion of your audience, to the extent many read it backward wrong, you done a bad job. It doesn't matter if it's black lingo, white cultural values, pseudo science, real science or hypothetical political theory. If your audience doesn't follow it, it's bad writing: Period.

Note: Nowhere did I say the joke had to be pussyfooted, or the characters unblacked. These are things you have invented because... apparently you don't want me to get the joke.

That's just mean and doesn't help anyone.
ill-literatefourel on June 29th, 2007 11:53 pm (UTC)
If you're writing a story and anything in it is misunderstood by a large portion of your audience, to the extent many read it backward wrong, you done a bad job.

Mark Twain's Huckleberry Finn is widely banned for being offensive and racist. People read it backward wrong, but I do not believe he did a bad job. I think that a lot of people don't understand things until they're taught otherwise. Sometimes, it's a lot of trouble to teach them, but it's worth broadening those horizons.

I mean, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, Richard Pryor, and Chris Tucker have made a career off what, on the surface, is "Black people walk like this, white people walk like THIS," but their jokes, when given that second glance, impart some stuff about life and race that aren't immediately clear in our day to day life.

Note: Nowhere did I say the joke had to be pussyfooted, or the characters unblacked. These are things you have invented because... apparently you don't want me to get the joke.

I didn't invent it. I read this:
But, it won't get more support if when the characters appear in other books, you still need that inside edge to understand them.
and it says to me that the inside edge is the problem, and should be reduced or toned down. That inside edge is what makes the joke in my mind. I can't think of another way to play the FF scene without that inside edge and still have it be true to life.

I'm not trying to be mean or whatever. I prefer it when people laugh at the same jokes I do because they "get" it, either because they lived it or someone clued them in. Inside jokes don't have to be exclusive, you know?
Jkarabellajkarabella on June 30th, 2007 12:37 am (UTC)
I mean, Dave Chappelle, Chris Rock, Richard Pryor, and Chris Tucker have made a career off what, on the surface, is "Black people walk like this, white people walk like THIS," but their jokes, when given that second glance, impart some stuff about life and race that aren't immediately clear in our day to day life.

Indeed, Eddie Murphy also had similar routines when he was a stand up. In all cases though, they're appreciated by wide audiences because they start with something the audience can relate to and build from there.

In regards to Mark Twain, yes lots of authors get pretty much deliberately mistaught for the point of fashionable views. Lots of people also disagree where the lines are. That is the first time I've heard he's taught as racist (I have heard of similar authors being treated as such including an Australian cartoonist)

I'm not trying to be mean or whatever. I prefer it when people laugh at the same jokes I do because they "get" it, either because they lived it or someone clued them in. Inside jokes don't have to be exclusive, you know?
Ah. Okay, my view is if Marvel could find such a storyteller who could make that two scene as exciting a white man as it was for a black girl then they would be getting nominations for Pullitzer prizes.

They can't though, it's not possible to have that speak to people with white privilege as strongly because we've never had to put up with it. What I'd prefer though is I "get" by I understand the rational.

This this case, all I needed to understand is that Storm is pissed because she and her black friends get this crap all the time because of idiots. I probably would have smirked a little and felt it was a fair point, I wouldn't have laughed.

An example being in the Daredevil movie. When Kingpin tells his assistant that he wouldn't understand, Kingpin was raised in the Bronx. My friends and I got the idea and it explained why he made that decision. Some audiences in New York and the Bronx were reported to have all stood up and cheered at the top of their lungs.

As long as I don't need to understand them to follow the basics of the story/character, honestly I have no problem with in jokes staying in. I just can't think of any good examples of such that haven't been badly done at some stage.