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30 June 2007 @ 09:38 am
 For a change, Manstream will let commenters have their say about this cover, instead of bugging out about another nymphet. What do you think? Is it creepy? Inoffensive? Innocent? Nice drawing? Or, to quote Dark Horse, "Kenichi Sonoda's familiar sexy style"?

And as a bonus, here's another:

How would you like a fat, fun book full of sexy girls shooting guns and blowing things up, all while driving hot cars and fighting the mob? And while you're at it, make it a manga!

Here's the Kicker:
* Comes shrink wrapped and carries an 18+ content advisory.
Rachel Dukespoisonrational on June 30th, 2007 03:02 am (UTC)
Mike: Why does she have a gun and you can see her pussy? ...Burst what? A load?

The end.
nem0: FUCKnem0 on June 30th, 2007 03:03 am (UTC)
Crap's sake. I like GSC, but I could not, in good conscience, buy something with that cover. I mean... FUCK.
Lea Hernandez-DivaLea: boo smacks a bitchdivalea on June 30th, 2007 04:56 am (UTC)
Gunsmith Cats has been creeping me out for 13+ years.
It's a damn shame, because the action is good, the research shows, and yet it's creepy as all fuck.
I could never get around the fact that the character shown is supposedly sixteen, and was a prostitute at thirteen. In the original, she's ten or eleven when she's a prostitute--and that was when and where she met her boyfriend.

But what can you expect from an artist/writer who did lolicon doujinshi? You can go to absolutely anything Kenichi Sonoda has done and find his...thing for young-looking girls.

Dark Horse, for SHAME. Wrapped and 18+, good, but WHY this art? Why pander to those damn fans with their thing for liddle schoolgirls? BAD DARK HORSE. POOR CHOICE.

This is part of the reason I hate the thing that was rampant about 5-8 years ago in American comics, which was showing characters in sexy schoolgirl outfits. The excuse was the same then as now: "But she kicks aaaass!" "But it's just a faaaantasy!"
I don't have a problem with characters who logically WEAR uniforms wearing them, but this whole fetish thing is reduction and infantilization.
My rant about American "manga" artists who write stories and don't even think about why they have characters in Japanese schoolgirl outfits just because they do in manga, is for another day.
Adamboorman on July 1st, 2007 03:16 am (UTC)
"Dark Horse, for SHAME. Wrapped and 18+, good, but WHY this art? Why pander to those damn fans with their thing for liddle schoolgirls?"

the manga itself pretty much panders to those fans, why not the cover to it? Like you said, GSC is pretty much pure condensed slease.
(Anonymous) on July 1st, 2007 04:13 am (UTC)

Justinsilentjustice on July 1st, 2007 05:16 am (UTC)
I don't really know if "pure condensed sleaze" is entirely accurate. It seems to discount everything else in the books other than the occasional panty shots and even more occasional breast shots.
Adamboorman on July 1st, 2007 07:48 am (UTC)
dont get me wrong, i LOVE gunsmith cats, but saying it isnt sleazier than ron jeremey is just rediculous.

Every story is dripping with creepy bastards, young girls are constantly being taken advantage of, threatened, or just raped and killed by all manner of drug runners and criminals, and the major plot involves a lesbian drugrunner trying to make rally bend to her will via drugs and become her sexual slave...

I dont have my copies on me, but i dont thtink theres a single volume without at least one scene of nudity or at the very least lovingly rendered lingerie.

Justinsilentjustice on July 1st, 2007 03:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, I don't disagree that there's lots of seedy stuff in the books, because it deals with the criminal underbelly of Chicago. I just take issue with the *level* of sleaze attributed to it here. Saying it is "pure condensed sleaze" or "sleazier than Ron Jeremy" is just a little much for me. Especially since, and I could be mistaken, I don't think there has ever been a scene depicting full sexual intercourse in the series, so Ron Jeremy would be pretty bored. I mean, it isn't [i]hentai[/i].

But hey, different opinions and all that. Just wanted to get it off my chest. :)
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studioqtstudioqt on July 3rd, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC)
Dark Horse, for SHAME. Wrapped and 18+, good, but WHY this art?

That WAS a rhetorical question, right?

That's the cover of the tankoubon. Current market trend dictates that the packaging is just like the original. Otherwise, it's not "authentic". (please don't argue with me on the "authentic" part. My brain explodes everytime I think about that when we translate or letter them).
Juniper the Goosemanjdeguzman on June 30th, 2007 05:48 am (UTC)
I think that's supposed to be the seam in her pantyhose in the first image. (No cotton panel in the crotch, though.) It's still completely hideous.
Alainndgmtlcd on June 30th, 2007 06:30 am (UTC)
I'm tempted to say "Hmmm That gun doesn't look realistic" and leave it at that.

I'll go further and add that in the botom pic it really, really doesn't look natural, the way she's holding those two types of grenades.
Jkarabellajkarabella on June 30th, 2007 10:53 am (UTC)
Eh, going entirely on the cover, personally I think it's kinda tasteless and the publishers should have advised him to get a more appropriate cover so it looks more like a comic about chicks with guns and less like a stickbook.

Japan, as well as being the most patriarchal first world country in the world, has different views on comics, appropriate ages and appropriate content. Without even touching the debate mind field of what those differences are and what effects they have, I really wish guys who are going to publish Japanese manga for western audiences would stop and consider that.

It's not like it's virtually unknown that there are cultural differences.
The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on June 30th, 2007 03:21 pm (UTC)
Well, when I saw the image, I just saw a twelve-year-old with a gun. I was unoffended. Then I scrolled down, and saw the "upskirt" bit.

Here's the thing; it's so badly drawn I can't tell whether she's wearing panty-hose, a skirt with pants, or if that line right there is supposed to be her prepubescent vagina.

The second image, though, is mildly amusing. It looks like promo art for a children's survivalist video.
dejadrewdejadrew on July 1st, 2007 04:44 am (UTC)
That was pretty much my response.

Scroll scroll, "Eh, not too bad so fGYAAAAAgh!"
The Event Horizon of Awful Thingsthetathx1138 on July 1st, 2007 04:48 am (UTC)
Sadly, I'm so jaded that I don't even flinch when confronted with drawn kiddie porn anymore. This place has warped my fragile little mind, and forced me to collect all those pornographic Jetsons lithographs.
Melony: head to deskgothwitch on June 30th, 2007 03:53 pm (UTC)
I've seen these covers before, but in the older graphic novels they included these covers in a gallery at the BACK of the book with a decent pose on the cover of the book itself. If anything they could have put a wraparound cover on the front of the book with the 18+ advisor in big bold lettering.
Lea Hernandez-DivaLeadivalea on June 30th, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
I don't know if Sonoda has a thing for pantyhose or what, but that is pretty much how he draws upskirt: pantyhose over panties.
Claris (sentimentalromantic)wintersweet on July 1st, 2007 02:26 am (UTC)
Yeah, I was 100% certain when I saw it that it was pantyhose over panties. That's a subsubgenre of Japanese porn, right there.

I usually advocate sticking to the original cover, but if this was the original tankoubon cover, I think they should have considered going with something else. Tacky, tacky.
Justinsilentjustice on July 1st, 2007 05:11 am (UTC)
I don't know if I should comment because I love Gunsmith Cats and Sonoda's art and designs in general, and might have the tendency to get defensive. It comes shrink-wrapped with an 18+ advisory because of violence as well as nudity because it is an adult-aimed manga. I myself an occasionally skeeved out by May's looks/real age dichotomy, especially when the issue is talked about directly. Otherwise it doesn't bother me too much because I always assume she's more like 18 or 19. (Japanese manga always seem to make characters too young. Rally Vincent, the main character and gun expert, is supposedly 19 but as that seems ludicrous to me, I always think of her as 25 or so.) The cover did surprise me, as non of the other previous covers went this far, but this is an accurate representation of May, for better or worse. Calling it "kiddie porn" seems a bit overzealous for me. Even so, I agree it would have been better to find another image.

To the person who says the gun doesn't look realistic, *shrug* looks realistic to me. Sonoda is a known firearms afficianado and spends enormous amounts of time drawing the weapons in the manga. If there are inconsistencies I'd bet it's because of the fact that he only owns non-operational models because of Japan's gun laws.

Also, it's pretty clear that those are panty-hose over panties. Which one still may be offended by obviously, but I'm skeptical one could mistake it for an exposed vagina, pre-pubescent or not.
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(Anonymous) on July 4th, 2007 09:32 pm (UTC)
Ehn...enough criticising comics based on covers. Don't judge a book by it's cover, right?

Gunsmith Cats are some of the best action comics made *ever*, and it's female characters kick more ass than 10 American female comic characters combined.

Yeah, Minnie May looks young...WELCOME TO MAGNA. Find me a Japanese comic that *doesn't* have a young looking female drawn in a "sexy" manner at times.

Oh and for fuck's sake...that's *not her vagina* you're seeing, it's her underwear. Jesus.
(Anonymous) on July 10th, 2007 06:05 am (UTC)
There's very little for Anonymous to add, but that never stopped him before!

I've had the (mis)fortune of leafing through some of Sonoda's doujinshi work and there's no argument that his taste for little girls isn't creepy as all hell. It's also pretty obvious that his kinks informed GSC both back in the day and now.

Minnie-May as a whole was a major sticking point with me back when I discovered the series as a boy. Her story kept me from recommending GSC to fans of car chases and shootouts. "There's this comic that's just like Vanishing Point except it's got this teenage ex-prostitute who takes drugs so she can look like a little kid to keep her pedophile boyfriend aroused! Wait, come back! DON'T CALL THE FEDS!" (As an aside, IIRC, the entire story behind May and Ken's romance was redone to de-emphasize Ken's pedophilia.)

Sonoda's kinky side, as distasteful as it is, is something that pervades GSC. It comes out when he draws little girls as impossibly idealized china-dolls with hair ribbons, big smiles and lovingly detailed stockings. It shows up when his "camera" leers at the bloody aftermath of a rape. It's there when Misty, fresh from a tour of duty as a mafioso's fucktoy, spends an entire firefight in fetish gear. It's as much a part of the series as his love of the Blues Brothers.

That said, I was a fan when I was a kid and I remain one today. I don't like everything about GSC, but when it's good, it's incredible.
(Anonymous) on November 3rd, 2007 09:45 pm (UTC)
Won't show image.
My computer won't show the image (must be some sort of security thing), so I don't know exactly what everyone is fussing over. (And no, Right Click-Show Picture doesn't help me any.) Still, if it concerns Minnie May, it must be pretty out there. As others would agree with, GSC, as entertaining as it can be, has some pretty disturbing stuff going on and can be very off-putting at times. I still think it's a pretty cool manga though.
(Anonymous) on November 3rd, 2007 09:54 pm (UTC)
Re: Won't show image.
Okay, I went to amazon and saw that it's from the Burst comic. Yeah, that's pretty fucked up. Minnie May's supposed to be sexually promiscuous, but that's taking it a bit far in terms of a cover.
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I blame fandomnostariel on July 18th, 2009 04:32 am (UTC)
Can't see the pics, dude. Plz check your ScrapBook/images security settings.
(Anonymous) on January 14th, 2010 05:55 am (UTC)